Bronwyn has endeavored to tart up our site, and for the first time a crack team of booksellers have faces.
Chris knows how to pose, he's just above that sort of preening, alright?
Posted by Dave
Saturday, February 28, 2009
Thursday, February 26, 2009
Right then, moving on
I always figured Twitter wasn't worth pursuing so that's why my account is unused after creating it about a month ago. If I want to know what every Print on Demand novelist is up to, there's a half a million people on Facebook for that.
Crime writer Tod Goldberg gets it right I think.
And now MobyLives has unearthed Twitter as being full of idiots as well.
Posted by Dave
Crime writer Tod Goldberg gets it right I think.
And now MobyLives has unearthed Twitter as being full of idiots as well.
Posted by Dave
Richard Nash...
is leaving Soft Skull Press.
He's a sharp tack with a great eye for the undiscovered country as it were, and I'll be very interested to see where he winds up.
Best of luck to him.
Posted by Dave
He's a sharp tack with a great eye for the undiscovered country as it were, and I'll be very interested to see where he winds up.
Best of luck to him.
Posted by Dave
Wednesday, February 25, 2009
It's too early for a drink, but...
after laying off everyone they possibly could, Random House is driving a garbage truck full of money to wherever the hell Kathy Griffin lives.
I can't help but think that a crack team of RH midlist authors is hatching a murder plot this very second.
Posted by Dave
I can't help but think that a crack team of RH midlist authors is hatching a murder plot this very second.
Posted by Dave
Tuesday, February 24, 2009
And we'll promise to spend more time in bars, too
Colin Robinson lays it all out on what I think is the central problem around the rise of web reading vs. the number of available real readers.
Naturally, a guy this on the money just lost his publishing job.
Despite the big numbers (?) for the Kindle, the Sony, the Stanza and the plethora of e-reading devices out there, it's anyones guess if the better mousetrap is upon us.
I think not, but it no longer matters because,
"This privileging of the writer at the expense of the reader is borne out by statistics showing the annual output of new titles in the US soaring towards half a million. At the same time a recent survey revealed that one in four Americans didn’t read a single book last year. Books have become detached from meaningful readerships. Writing itself is the victim in this shift. If anyone can publish, and the number of critical readers is diminishing, is it any wonder that non-writers – pop stars, chefs, sports personalities – are increasingly dominating the bestseller lists?
Perhaps the problem has to do with more than just the way in which words are transmitted. People bowl alone, shop online, abandon cinemas for DVDs, and chat to each other electronically rather than go to a bar. In an increasingly self-centred society a premium is placed on being heard rather than listening, being seen rather than watching, and on being read rather than reading."
This scenario is borne out every day in the shop and has always been part of the landscape.
The amount of self-published stuff out there was extraordinary before print on demand became somewhat price competitive; now it's everywhere. The natural extension, especially when combines with Robinson's contention that our collective narcissism renders reading other people musings redundant when we all have our own book, could mean that prose looks as insular as poetry.
When we've all got a book and book reviews are down to a stump, what does it all mean?
What's the point?
Robinson notes that "an industry that spends all its money on bookseller discounts and very little on finding an audience is getting things the wrong way round."
Time was, that was the booksellers job, and in some purview it still is.
Editors make the book a tighter and better read, publicists will do the best they can to cut through the white noise of everything else out there, but for books deserving of an audience; something other than the sports star-celebrity chef-rehab casualty etc., a humble gatekeeper is going to have to be there.
It will be interesting to see what shape that gatekeeper takes.
For now, maybe the smart money stays with this guy, but we'll do it for less.
Posted by Dave
Naturally, a guy this on the money just lost his publishing job.
Despite the big numbers (?) for the Kindle, the Sony, the Stanza and the plethora of e-reading devices out there, it's anyones guess if the better mousetrap is upon us.
I think not, but it no longer matters because,
"This privileging of the writer at the expense of the reader is borne out by statistics showing the annual output of new titles in the US soaring towards half a million. At the same time a recent survey revealed that one in four Americans didn’t read a single book last year. Books have become detached from meaningful readerships. Writing itself is the victim in this shift. If anyone can publish, and the number of critical readers is diminishing, is it any wonder that non-writers – pop stars, chefs, sports personalities – are increasingly dominating the bestseller lists?
Perhaps the problem has to do with more than just the way in which words are transmitted. People bowl alone, shop online, abandon cinemas for DVDs, and chat to each other electronically rather than go to a bar. In an increasingly self-centred society a premium is placed on being heard rather than listening, being seen rather than watching, and on being read rather than reading."
This scenario is borne out every day in the shop and has always been part of the landscape.
The amount of self-published stuff out there was extraordinary before print on demand became somewhat price competitive; now it's everywhere. The natural extension, especially when combines with Robinson's contention that our collective narcissism renders reading other people musings redundant when we all have our own book, could mean that prose looks as insular as poetry.
When we've all got a book and book reviews are down to a stump, what does it all mean?
What's the point?
Robinson notes that "an industry that spends all its money on bookseller discounts and very little on finding an audience is getting things the wrong way round."
Time was, that was the booksellers job, and in some purview it still is.
Editors make the book a tighter and better read, publicists will do the best they can to cut through the white noise of everything else out there, but for books deserving of an audience; something other than the sports star-celebrity chef-rehab casualty etc., a humble gatekeeper is going to have to be there.
It will be interesting to see what shape that gatekeeper takes.
For now, maybe the smart money stays with this guy, but we'll do it for less.
Posted by Dave
Monday, February 23, 2009
First in line
This was a long time coming, but great news all the same.
And what the hell, who says no to Jeffrey effing Tambor?
"Howard also said that he's been asked not to talk about who's in and who's out, which is an obvious reference to long-time hold-out Michael Cera.
Cera is reportedly the only cast member who hasn't signed on, saying:
"I don't think I would want to see a movie of the series if I was a fan, anyway. And I don't really see a need for it if you can get the three seasons on DVD."
He told MTV he might even "put the script in a shredder."
In January, Jeffrey Tambor, the show's patriarch, said he'd force the young star's hand:
"If I have to call him up and say, 'Get on set right now, young man,' he'll be there, the movie is going to happen this year, and Michael Cera is on board. Trust me."
Good to know.
Posted by Dave
And what the hell, who says no to Jeffrey effing Tambor?
"Howard also said that he's been asked not to talk about who's in and who's out, which is an obvious reference to long-time hold-out Michael Cera.
Cera is reportedly the only cast member who hasn't signed on, saying:
"I don't think I would want to see a movie of the series if I was a fan, anyway. And I don't really see a need for it if you can get the three seasons on DVD."
He told MTV he might even "put the script in a shredder."
In January, Jeffrey Tambor, the show's patriarch, said he'd force the young star's hand:
"If I have to call him up and say, 'Get on set right now, young man,' he'll be there, the movie is going to happen this year, and Michael Cera is on board. Trust me."
Good to know.
Posted by Dave
Mike Holmes-Feb 28

The week's news is this.
Canada's coolest hammer and nail guy, maybe our coolest guy period drops by Words Worth for an assembled throng of admirers (we're pretty sure on this one.)
I've seen Mike Holmes up close before and he's not tall, but I think it would take an earthmover to topple him.
Chris and I were told (right to our downcast faces by the way) that Mike Holmes was "the perfect man, because he can fix things."
Too many appearances like this and some of us are going to get a complex.
The funny bit was when curious customers asked how we were going to make room for the crowd, and we reminded them that we pulled of Jean Chretien in the small space. The consensus was that well Chretien was Chretien but this is Mike Holmes, so good luck.
We'll know soon enough.
Posted by Dave
Sunday, February 22, 2009
Wheeeeee!!!!!!
Thursday, February 19, 2009
how many bad days in a trend
Hail and farewell, yet another independent shop is in dire straits.
I've never heard of this bookstore in Ann Arbor Michigan, but the comments section makes me wonder yet again if something more fundamental is at work in some bookstores.
The comments page expresses lament for a local shop gone in an internet age etc,. but there's a high number of entries that put the bead on a chilly staff or a feeling of unease from the place.
This is something that comes up again and again in these circumstances, and I'll never understand it.
So if there's anybody out there who has ever been put off by a bookstore, I'd like to hear about it. Even if it was us.
Posted by Dave
I've never heard of this bookstore in Ann Arbor Michigan, but the comments section makes me wonder yet again if something more fundamental is at work in some bookstores.
The comments page expresses lament for a local shop gone in an internet age etc,. but there's a high number of entries that put the bead on a chilly staff or a feeling of unease from the place.
This is something that comes up again and again in these circumstances, and I'll never understand it.
So if there's anybody out there who has ever been put off by a bookstore, I'd like to hear about it. Even if it was us.
Posted by Dave
Monday, February 16, 2009
Tomorrow kids with peanuts are coming to feed us through the bars
The Globe and Mail has been looking at the lot of writers and publishers as part of the tough times in the industry. It's not news that Canadian writing rarely makes anyone rich and only Stephen Harper continues to believe that the arts are a gala-like affair where everyone dines on public money.
Susan Swan of the Writer's Union of Canada correctly identifies how poor most writers are and Marc Cote of Cormorant Books is correct that Canadian publishing is a difficult endeavour due to pervasive American influence.
Swan goes one further in noting that mines and oil fields are routinely helped along before the fact, by public money.
The different levels of Canadian government should play a significant role in the development of Canadian enterprise in all of the arts as well, particularly in a time of diminishing book coverage in the national media.
Where Marc Cote errs a bit, however, is in laying the blame for Canadian visibility relative to our American and British counterparts on a lazy media.
Cote notes it as a fact, but treats it like a symptom to be corrected somehow.
Even journalists fed on maple syrup and Canuck wine are not going to prevent teenagers from running across four lanes of traffic and the ghost of Robertson Davies to pick up a Stephanie Meyer novel.
It's the job of publishers and booksellers to get the Canadian story into the hands of Canadian readers, so it's puzzling for Cote to give Amazon and Costco a pass, then lament American cultural influence.
I'm not suggesting that American accounts are part of the problem per se, but American companies don't provide the taxes that everyone agrees are essential for Canadian publishing to stay afloat.
When I was much younger I never looked for a flag on my book of choice, but I did get to know Russel Smith, David Gilmour, Barbara Gowdy, W.P Kinsella etc. through the writers in residence programs in town and the CBC. A few bucks to keep the infrastructure intact will go a long way to maintaining a working literary culture and therefore a shot at a living wage for Canadian writers.
It seems to work for oilfields, sports franchises and potash.
Posted by Dave
Susan Swan of the Writer's Union of Canada correctly identifies how poor most writers are and Marc Cote of Cormorant Books is correct that Canadian publishing is a difficult endeavour due to pervasive American influence.
Swan goes one further in noting that mines and oil fields are routinely helped along before the fact, by public money.
The different levels of Canadian government should play a significant role in the development of Canadian enterprise in all of the arts as well, particularly in a time of diminishing book coverage in the national media.
Where Marc Cote errs a bit, however, is in laying the blame for Canadian visibility relative to our American and British counterparts on a lazy media.
Cote notes it as a fact, but treats it like a symptom to be corrected somehow.
Even journalists fed on maple syrup and Canuck wine are not going to prevent teenagers from running across four lanes of traffic and the ghost of Robertson Davies to pick up a Stephanie Meyer novel.
It's the job of publishers and booksellers to get the Canadian story into the hands of Canadian readers, so it's puzzling for Cote to give Amazon and Costco a pass, then lament American cultural influence.
I'm not suggesting that American accounts are part of the problem per se, but American companies don't provide the taxes that everyone agrees are essential for Canadian publishing to stay afloat.
When I was much younger I never looked for a flag on my book of choice, but I did get to know Russel Smith, David Gilmour, Barbara Gowdy, W.P Kinsella etc. through the writers in residence programs in town and the CBC. A few bucks to keep the infrastructure intact will go a long way to maintaining a working literary culture and therefore a shot at a living wage for Canadian writers.
It seems to work for oilfields, sports franchises and potash.
Posted by Dave
Friday, February 13, 2009
Anyone can swear. Some can do mimicry. But to do both and to have Zadie Smith notice it, well.....
Slate magazine notes that Barack Obama has a unique ability "to voice almost anybody" as demonstrated in his writings.
Zadie Smith, who knows a bit about making a bunch of different cultures leap off the pages of text, says,
"In Dreams from My Father, the new president displays an enviable facility for dialogue, and puts it to good use, animating a cast every bit as various as the one James Baldwin—an obvious influence—conjured for his own many-voiced novel Another Country. Obama can do young Jewish male, black old lady from the South Side, white woman from Kansas, Kenyan elders, white Harvard nerds, black Columbia nerds, activist women, churchmen, security guards, bank tellers, and even a British man called Mr. Wilkerson, who on a starry night on safari says credibly British things like: "I believe that's the Milky Way." This new president doesn't just speak for his people. He can speak them."
Now I've been looking for a way to put this up for a week, because it's hilarious and now it's applicable.
Slate glommed onto the same article that everyone else has found from the Boston Phoenex who performed a most valuable Obama-related service in stringing together some dialogue from the President's book, Dreams From My Father.
Enjoy.
Posted by David
Zadie Smith, who knows a bit about making a bunch of different cultures leap off the pages of text, says,
"In Dreams from My Father, the new president displays an enviable facility for dialogue, and puts it to good use, animating a cast every bit as various as the one James Baldwin—an obvious influence—conjured for his own many-voiced novel Another Country. Obama can do young Jewish male, black old lady from the South Side, white woman from Kansas, Kenyan elders, white Harvard nerds, black Columbia nerds, activist women, churchmen, security guards, bank tellers, and even a British man called Mr. Wilkerson, who on a starry night on safari says credibly British things like: "I believe that's the Milky Way." This new president doesn't just speak for his people. He can speak them."
Now I've been looking for a way to put this up for a week, because it's hilarious and now it's applicable.
Slate glommed onto the same article that everyone else has found from the Boston Phoenex who performed a most valuable Obama-related service in stringing together some dialogue from the President's book, Dreams From My Father.
Enjoy.
Posted by David
Tuesday, February 10, 2009
An Unforgettable Evening With Emmanuel Jal

Emmanuel Jal, an African Hip-Hop star and recent author of War Child, will be coming to Waterloo, February 19th, as part of his Canadian book tour. Words Worth Books is pleased to be sponsoring him as part of the store’s Words Worth Hearing event series. Jal will only be making three appearances in Canada as part of his promotion tour.
In the mid-1980s, Emmanuel Jal was a seven year old Sudanese boy, living in a small village with his family. But as Sudan’s civil war moved closer—with the Islamic government seizing tribal lands for water, oil, and other resources—Jal’s family moved again and again, seeking peace. One terrible day, Jal was separated from his mother, and later learned she had been killed. After her death, he was taken from his family home and conscripted into the Christian Sudanese Liberation Army, one of 10,000 child soldiers, in Sudan’s bloody civil war. Jal was a “jenajesh” or child warrior, put into battle carrying an AK-47 that was taller than he was. By the time he was 13, he was a veteran of two civil wars and had seen hundreds of his fellow child soldiers reduced to taking unspeakable measures as they struggled to survive on the killing fields of Southern Sudan. After a series of harrowing events, he was rescued by a British aid worker who smuggled him into Nairobi to raise him as her own son.
Shortly after he was adopted, the aid worker was killed in a car accident. Jal was left to his own devices and the kindness of strangers to go to school and rehabilitate back into regular society. At this time there was no re-entry program for Sudanese child soldiers and Jal found himself ostracized by many people in Nairobi. To help ease the pain of what he had experienced, he started singing. In 2005, he released his first album, Gua (”peace” in his native Nuer tongue), with the title track broadcast across Africa over the BBC and becoming a number one hit in Kenya. Since then Jal has won worldwide acclaim for his unique style of hip hop with its message of peace and reconciliation born out of his experiences as a child soldier in Sudan. He rhymes in English, Arabic, Nuer and Dinka. He has released two other albums; Ceasfire in 2005 and War Child in 2008. His music has been featured on three episodes of E.R., the National Geographic documentary God Grew Tired of Us, and in the film Blood Diamonds. Jal performed at Nelson Mandela’s 90th birthday celebration. He has also performed and addressed delegates from the UN and has toured in the US and Europe with his music and important message of peace and reconciliation.
In the mid-1980s, Emmanuel Jal was a seven year old Sudanese boy, living in a small village with his family. But as Sudan’s civil war moved closer—with the Islamic government seizing tribal lands for water, oil, and other resources—Jal’s family moved again and again, seeking peace. One terrible day, Jal was separated from his mother, and later learned she had been killed. After her death, he was taken from his family home and conscripted into the Christian Sudanese Liberation Army, one of 10,000 child soldiers, in Sudan’s bloody civil war. Jal was a “jenajesh” or child warrior, put into battle carrying an AK-47 that was taller than he was. By the time he was 13, he was a veteran of two civil wars and had seen hundreds of his fellow child soldiers reduced to taking unspeakable measures as they struggled to survive on the killing fields of Southern Sudan. After a series of harrowing events, he was rescued by a British aid worker who smuggled him into Nairobi to raise him as her own son.
Shortly after he was adopted, the aid worker was killed in a car accident. Jal was left to his own devices and the kindness of strangers to go to school and rehabilitate back into regular society. At this time there was no re-entry program for Sudanese child soldiers and Jal found himself ostracized by many people in Nairobi. To help ease the pain of what he had experienced, he started singing. In 2005, he released his first album, Gua (”peace” in his native Nuer tongue), with the title track broadcast across Africa over the BBC and becoming a number one hit in Kenya. Since then Jal has won worldwide acclaim for his unique style of hip hop with its message of peace and reconciliation born out of his experiences as a child soldier in Sudan. He rhymes in English, Arabic, Nuer and Dinka. He has released two other albums; Ceasfire in 2005 and War Child in 2008. His music has been featured on three episodes of E.R., the National Geographic documentary God Grew Tired of Us, and in the film Blood Diamonds. Jal performed at Nelson Mandela’s 90th birthday celebration. He has also performed and addressed delegates from the UN and has toured in the US and Europe with his music and important message of peace and reconciliation.
War Child, a full-length documentary about Jal’s astounding life was released in early 2008 to great acclaim. It won the audience choice award at the Tribeca film festival. Now Jal has written a companion novel to the film, also titled War Child. It is published by St.Martin’s Press, $27.95 hardcover. Shocking, inspiring, and finally hopeful, War Child is a memoir by a unique young man, who is determined to tell his story and in so doing bring peace to his homeland.
"Disturbing and visceral...Jal tells his story in spare, direct, and searing prose that leaves nothing to the imagination and offers a close-up view of the damage done to the psyches of children turned into warriors." --Library Journal
"Quietly stirring."--The New York Times
"Frank, unsparing...[A] searing portrait of a war-torn youth turned community advocate and role model."--Kirkus Reviews
Jal now lives in London, England. He is a spokesman for Amnesty International and Oxfam, and has done work for Save the Children, UNICEF, World Food Programme, Christian Aid, and other charities, and has established his own charitable foundation, Gua Africa, to help former Sudanese child soldiers.
The event takes place on Thursday February 19th at Princess Twin Cinemas, 46 King St. N. in Uptown Waterloo at 7pm. Emmanuel will be reading from his book, followed by a screening of his documentary. Tickets are $12, available at the door or at the bookstore, 100 King St. S. in Waterloo.
"Disturbing and visceral...Jal tells his story in spare, direct, and searing prose that leaves nothing to the imagination and offers a close-up view of the damage done to the psyches of children turned into warriors." --Library Journal
"Quietly stirring."--The New York Times
"Frank, unsparing...[A] searing portrait of a war-torn youth turned community advocate and role model."--Kirkus Reviews
Jal now lives in London, England. He is a spokesman for Amnesty International and Oxfam, and has done work for Save the Children, UNICEF, World Food Programme, Christian Aid, and other charities, and has established his own charitable foundation, Gua Africa, to help former Sudanese child soldiers.
The event takes place on Thursday February 19th at Princess Twin Cinemas, 46 King St. N. in Uptown Waterloo at 7pm. Emmanuel will be reading from his book, followed by a screening of his documentary. Tickets are $12, available at the door or at the bookstore, 100 King St. S. in Waterloo.
Sunday, February 08, 2009
Now they tell us
I'm off the London Book Fair for a couple days.
All evidence to the contrary people still seem to have a book in them, and I'm going to separate the wheat from the whatever for a bit.
There's nothing new in the Globe article above; publishers are lazy philistines, writers are egocentric crybabies.
Andrew Pyper, quoted in the article, remains the very epicentre of cool.
I'll flesh this one out with a proper post in a few days.
For now Dr. No has left the building.
Posted by Dave
All evidence to the contrary people still seem to have a book in them, and I'm going to separate the wheat from the whatever for a bit.
There's nothing new in the Globe article above; publishers are lazy philistines, writers are egocentric crybabies.
Andrew Pyper, quoted in the article, remains the very epicentre of cool.
I'll flesh this one out with a proper post in a few days.
For now Dr. No has left the building.
Posted by Dave
Friday, February 06, 2009
Ouch!
Harper Collins is getting it's ass handed to them.
Revenue dropped by a quarter and the company recently offered a buyout to employees in the U.S to everyone over 55 who had been with the company over five years.
It'll be up to the kids who are left to find a way to recoup the multi-million pound agreement for George Michael's autobiography.
I think I see the problem here.
Posted by Dave
Revenue dropped by a quarter and the company recently offered a buyout to employees in the U.S to everyone over 55 who had been with the company over five years.
It'll be up to the kids who are left to find a way to recoup the multi-million pound agreement for George Michael's autobiography.
I think I see the problem here.
Posted by Dave
The dudes love him though
Stephen King has let fly recently and suddenly I have a lot more respect for him.
"King compared the Mormon author to JK Rowling, saying that both authors were "speaking directly to young people". "The real difference is that Jo Rowling is a terrific writer and Stephenie Meyer can't write worth a darn. She's not very good," he told an interviewer from USA Weekend."
Naturally every prepubescent girl is pissed off enough to wonder who this Stephen King guy is.
It was only a few years ago that King himself was on the receiving end of similar statements from the literary types, and he was pretty forthright then too.
Posted by Dave
"King compared the Mormon author to JK Rowling, saying that both authors were "speaking directly to young people". "The real difference is that Jo Rowling is a terrific writer and Stephenie Meyer can't write worth a darn. She's not very good," he told an interviewer from USA Weekend."
Naturally every prepubescent girl is pissed off enough to wonder who this Stephen King guy is.
It was only a few years ago that King himself was on the receiving end of similar statements from the literary types, and he was pretty forthright then too.
Posted by Dave
Tuesday, February 03, 2009
Anne Michaels & Wayson Choy-May 13

The spring is starting to come together around the ol' woodshed and we've just gotten confirmation that Anne Michaels and Wayson Choy are confirmed.
Details will firm up shortly.
Michaels shot to international fame years ago with Fugitive Pieces and the new novel is due around the end of March.
I've got my quaking hands on a review copy and will hold forth on it shortly.
Despite the weather, the industrial malaise and the dueling stimulus packages swirling around us, all seems right with the world.
Posted by David
Book Expo canceled
Great, now where will booksellers go to uh, to well gather in one spot and..
I'm not sure what exactly.
I've been on both sides of the bookselling aisle, and it was common when used/rare booksellers got together in a room, the only constant was how cheap, uninformed and tactless the general populace was. At the tale end of my time, the internet came along and suddenly nothing was scarce and everything changed. I don't miss it.
New booksellers getting together is a bit more adult and the seminars and industry pow wows at the last few Book Expos were informative and necessary.
Having said that, I never felt an urgent need to be in Toronto for three days unless actual orders were being placed.
Shuffling around a huge space collecting proof copies wasn't fun; after a half hour it was redundant, and while it was nice to see friends and colleagues one doesn't see too often, I wondered why some booksellers came from three provinces away.
So while it's unfortunate the annual fĂȘte isn't on any longer, one of our stars just got back from the Winter Institute in Utah and it seem the Americans know how to put on a show.
Some real nuts and bolts stuff that addresses a host of industry concerns seems like something to emulate up here.
Posted by David
I'm not sure what exactly.
I've been on both sides of the bookselling aisle, and it was common when used/rare booksellers got together in a room, the only constant was how cheap, uninformed and tactless the general populace was. At the tale end of my time, the internet came along and suddenly nothing was scarce and everything changed. I don't miss it.
New booksellers getting together is a bit more adult and the seminars and industry pow wows at the last few Book Expos were informative and necessary.
Having said that, I never felt an urgent need to be in Toronto for three days unless actual orders were being placed.
Shuffling around a huge space collecting proof copies wasn't fun; after a half hour it was redundant, and while it was nice to see friends and colleagues one doesn't see too often, I wondered why some booksellers came from three provinces away.
So while it's unfortunate the annual fĂȘte isn't on any longer, one of our stars just got back from the Winter Institute in Utah and it seem the Americans know how to put on a show.
Some real nuts and bolts stuff that addresses a host of industry concerns seems like something to emulate up here.
Posted by David
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